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Field Pogoni
Rob: What did field pogoni for enlisted NKVD forces look like?
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Александр Шатулин: Interior troops - khaki with madder red piping. Frontier troops - khaki with green piping.
Rob: That's very interesting! I've just found a picture of the Petrozavodsk group taken last year. Exactly as you said, although Vladimir as an NKVD officer has blue piping with a light blue stripe in the middle, his troops have red piping. It's quite a surprise - why did the enlisted NKVD have different piping to the officers?
Rob: Found these M43 shinel petlisi - are these the ones for NKVD field? I was also at the battle reconstruction at Nikolskoe (outside St. Petersburg) last week, and got to use a PPD34!!! Great fun! 25 patroni magazines dont last long though, I had finished all four magazines before the end of the battle!
Александр Шатулин: Rob пишет: Found these M43 shinel petlisi - are these the ones for NKVD field? Yes, but I am not sure are they original or not.
Rob: Oh reproduction is fine for me as long as it is correct and well made. Thanks!
Rob: One other question - did NKVD troops wear subdued petlitsi on the M35 gyms, and did they look different from RKKA ones?
Александр Шатулин: Subdued insignia were introduced for the Acting army troops only. So NKVD units was authorised to wear it only if they were officialy a part of the Acting army (8 msd for example).
Rob: What was the 8 msd?
Александр Шатулин: 8th NKVD motorized rifle division
Rob: Ah, I understand - where were the 8 msd located, and what actions did they take part in?
Александр Шатулин: 8th NKVD motorized rifle division Raised in 1942, January 5 1942, January-July - combat actions on the front line near Belgorod etc. May 1942 - some units transferred to the new 13th NKVD division. 1942, July 14 - 8th NKVD division transferred to the Red Army as 63rd rifle division.
Rob: From the list here http://nkvd.fastbb.ru/?1-17-0-00000001-000-0-0-1172747066 I'm guessing that the 8th NKVD motorized rifle division had three battalions; the 67th, 68th and 69th and it was originally in Siberia - is that correct?
Александр Шатулин: Rob пишет: I'm guessing that the 8th NKVD motorized rifle division had three battalions; the 67th, 68th and 69th and it was originally in Siberia - is that correct? It was railroad guards division, not motorized. On february 11, 1942 it has been renumbered to 29th division.
Rob: And what can you tell me about the 290th NKVD Rifle regiment? All I know about them is that they were part of the 18th Army and they took part in the action on the Taman peninsular.
Александр Шатулин: 290th NKVD Rifle regiment (2nd formation) has been raised in 1942-43 (I don't know the exact date). In september 1943 this regiment was part of the landing force along with 393rd independent battalion of marines. They landed in Novorossijsk on September 9, 1943 and participated in the combat actions inside the city. Colonel-lieutenant Piskarev was regiment's commander at this time.
Rob: Brilliant - thanks! Was the unit number and letter only painted on parade and service pogoni - not field pogoni?
Александр Шатулин: Rob пишет: Was the unit number and letter only painted on parade and service pogoni - not field pogoni? Yes.
Rob: And one thing I learnt is that when the RKKA liberated an area (such as in Poland or Belarus during Bagration) there would be 'pockets' of German troops that had been cut off by the offensive and were then left deep behind the Soviet front line. I found out it was then the NKVD troops dangerous job to clear up these 'pockets' of Germans - how did they achieve this, and are there any accounts of these actions?
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