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M35 NKVD Shinel tabs.
Rob: Privyet! My name is Robin, and I am one of the very few Soviet reenactors in Britain who portrays NKVD. It is a small part of the 2nd Guards who you might know of, as we were in St. Petersburg this January, and hope to come again this coming winter. Two different time periods of NKVD here - I am the early war NKVD-GUGB Sergant Gozbezopasnosti (I know my belt buckles should really be silver) and Fraser is the NKVD Kapitan. What I am after is the NKVD m35 collar insigna for shinels - does anyone have any for sale?
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Тов. Жеребцов: "Eggs" not in a theme
Rob: Yes - I know about the 'eggs' now. When Vladimir from Petrozavodsk came to visit us he told me that they were for State Security detectives rather than active military forces.
Тов. Жеребцов: Rob
Rob: Oh well, that aside I'm trying to find these shinel tabs for greatcoats - noone seems to have any for sale! Can anyone help?
Александр Шатулин: It's M37 tab, not M35! Some people in Moscow can make such items, but they are not approachable at any time to place an order. We are waiting for the moment.... Also, only facing cloth we can find here contains 83% wool. Probably, you can find something better in UK. Sorry for possible mistakes.
Rob: One other question about the M37 tabs - I once saw somewhere that NKVD units also had the unit's number on them either in brass numbers or painted on through a stencil below the branch of service badge. Was this true? More or less like this I think....
Александр Шатулин: Units' numbers were sometimes worn on collar tabs in early 30's, but I have never seen them in photos dated after 1935. These numbers were not established in NKVD uniforms' regulations of 1935 and 1937. Numbers also occured on shoulder straps in 1943-47 (at full dress and service dress). P.S. Infantry "crossed rifles" introduced in 1940 and were rarely worn by private soldiers.
Rob: Having looked through the pictures in the photograph section I now have a question about the shinels themselves! I always imagined they were like normal RKKA ones - but it looks like a kind of brown 'Печенье' colour is for NKVD.... same question as always - how do you get one?
Александр Шатулин: Rob пишет: Having looked through the pictures in the photograph section Where? According to all the regulations greatcats should be grey for other ranks, dark grey for officers both in the Red Army and in the NKVD troops and State Security. The shade varied widely in reality.
Rob: Ah - okay, I just saw these NKVD troops here http://nkvd.fastbb.ru/?1-12-0-00000016-000-0-0-1130184949 , (towards the bottom of the page) so I wondered if there was a special colour. Any infomation on NKVD uniform detail is very hard to find here in the U.K - so I was very pleased to find the forum!
Александр Шатулин: The greatcoats' shades in these photos are caused mainly by light and color rendering.
Rob: Oh - that's a relief, I thought I was looking at having to get a special shinel for a moment! My supply of questions is not finished though! Were there NKVD-GUVV internal troop regiments at the Brest-Litovsk fortress during the siege, and if so, who were they?
Александр Шатулин: Some elements of the 132nd independent escort (convoy) battalion were in the fortress. Captured colour:
Rob: Wow! That is excellent - spasiba! We will be doing a Brest-Litovsk scenario in April, so this type of information is exactly what I'm after!
Тов.Рязанцев: Rob, hello! I would like to say you - note the German notice for this photo - "Fahne des 132. Grenz-Battalion". They mistake, of course - Grentz mint Border Guard in English - but this unit was not Border Guard but that, what Alexander allready wrote.
Rob: Did the Convoy Troops wear normal NKVD troops uniform?
Тов.Рязанцев: Yes, they had common uniform for the NKVD troopers, but since 1943 till 1947 they had (as all internal troopers) the number of regiment and letter on the shoulder boards - Convoy had "K" - "Конвойные" - for example "128к"
Rob: Like this? Would the numbers just go over the top of the Starshina's middle stripe?
Александр Шатулин: 1. Yes, but the letter denoting the branch of service must be added 2. According to this production manual for Red Army shoulder boards, there were not a numbers on the Starshina's ones.
Rob: Okay - so for say a Rifle regiment then there would be a 'C' for Stryekovaya? What was the most usual form for these numbers? Metal, gold fabric, or yellow/gold paint?
Александр Шатулин: Rob пишет: Okay - so for say a Rifle regiment then there would be a 'C' for Stryekovaya? This problem needs clarification..... Rob пишет: What was the most usual form for these numbers? Metal, gold fabric, or yellow/gold paint? Yellow paint.
Rob: Ah okay - at the moment, we don't portay any particular unit of the NKVD, but I read that the 290th NKVD Rifle Regiment fought in the same area as the RKKA unit which our group reenacts (2nd Guards Rifle Division) at a place called Novorossisk. http://www.1jma.dk/articles/1jmaarticlesNKVD.htm We can still encounter separate NKVD combat formations later in the war being used on the front-line as assault troops, as was the case with the 290th NKVD Rifle regiment. This unit participated within the ranks of 18th Army in the crushing assault on the port of Novorossijsk on the Taman peninsula in autumn 1943, landing in the city with the seaborne element of the operation and breaching the German defences. So I was thinking that the 290th would be the best one to portay.
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